Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/28/1994 08:15 AM House RES

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  HB 426 - Chickaloon Flats Critical Habitat Area                              
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE, PRIME SPONSOR, said there is a                     
  committee substitute for HB 426 before the committee.  He                    
  added that the committee folders contain a map showing the                   
  location of the area, as there has been confusion on where                   
  the Chickaloon Flats are actually located.  He said the                      
  Chickaloon Flats are the mud flats directly across and south                 
  of the Anchorage Potter Creek area.  HB 426 adds the                         
  Chickaloon Flats area to two areas which have already been                   
  declared critical habitat areas.                                             
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE stated the Chickaloon Flats area is a                   
  waterfowl nesting, feeding and resting area, which is a                      
  particularly important area in the fall when great numbers                   
  of duck, geese and swan migrate through and Portage Pass is                  
  closed.  It becomes vital that waterfowl have this resting                   
  area until the Pass is open.  He stressed the legislation is                 
  not intended to withdraw more lands from public use and lock                 
  them up in any way.  He explained HB 426 provides one more                   
  step of protection.  Currently, public lands are opened to                   
  development without a permit.  HB 426 will require a permit                  
  from the Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G) before                   
  development can take place.  If exploration for resources is                 
  compatible with the purpose of the critical habitat, it will                 
  be allowed.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 683                                                                   
                                                                               
  JACK HENDRICKSON, PRESIDENT, ALASKA WATERFOWL ASSOCIATION                    
  AND STATE CHAIRMAN, WATERFOWL U.S.A., testified via                          
  teleconference, and stated his group has been involved in                    
  getting protection for waterfowl in the Susitna Flats State                  
  Game Refuge, which is 301,000 acres; Trading Bay State Game                  
  Refuge, 186,000 acres; Redoubt Bay Critical Habitat Area,                    
  201,000 acres; Goose Bay State Game Refuge, 14,000 acres;                    
  Palmer Hay Flats State Game Refuge, 38,000 acres; and                        
  Anchorage Coastal Refuge, 14,000 acres.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 700                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. HENDRICKSON said the Chickaloon Flats is one of the                      
  remaining spots in Cook Inlet needing oversight; not to the                  
  extent that it needs to be declared a refuge, but to the                     
  extent that ADF&G has some oversight.  He felt critical                      
  habitat area is a good designation and it will not cost any                  
  more money than is already appropriated for ADF&G to have                    
  oversight.  He explained the Chickaloon Flats is very                        
  important to waterfowl both in the spring and fall.  If                      
  Portage Pass is closed and waterfowl cannot go any further                   
  south, they have to have places to rest and feed.  The                       
  Chickaloon Flats has been very popular with duck and geese                   
  who get into that situation.  He added that although the                     
  Anchorage Coastal Refuge is also of assistance, waterfowl                    
  seem to prefer the Chickaloon Flats.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 730                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. HENDRICKSON stated that in addition to small populations                 
  of nesting duck, the flats are also valuable to migrating                    
  shore birds who also use the area.  Designating the                          
  Chickaloon Flats as a critical habitat area is not costly,                   
  is thoughtful and puts together almost an entire Cook Inlet                  
  package of waterfowl refuges which is the largest, best and                  
  least costly in the world.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 752                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES stated she is not familiar with the                     
  other state refuges and critical habitat areas which have                    
  been mentioned and what is permitted in those areas.  She                    
  wondered if the Chickaloon Flats Critical Habitat Area will                  
  be different than the other refuges and habitat areas in                     
  terms of development.                                                        
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-21, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  MR. HENDRICKSON responded it is not the intent of ADF&G to                   
  stop development when an area has been designated.  HB 426                   
  provides for desirable oversight and is the kind of caution                  
  an intelligent conservationist would use in setting up land                  
  designations.  If there is no development in the Chickaloon                  
  Flats area in the next 20-30 years, it will not make any                     
  difference whether the area was designated or not.  However,                 
  if large structures are going to be built there and the                      
  development is not compatible with the fish or waterfowl                     
  there, ADF&G could stop the development with the oversight                   
  they have.  He added that oil and gas development is one of                  
  the least intrusive kinds of development on land because                     
  most of it is done underground.                                              
                                                                               
  Number 023                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked if it is correct that state game                  
  refuges and critical habitat areas do not have permission to                 
  do other things.  She expressed concern that if oil                          
  development and other development is allowed by permit in                    
  the other areas and not in the Chickaloon Flats, it will be                  
  contradictory.  On the other hand, if development by permit                  
  is not allowed in the other areas but will be allowed in the                 
  Chickaloon Flats, she does not see the need to set up two                    
  different kinds of protection for migratory waterfowl.                       
                                                                               
  MR. HENDRICKSON responded refuges suggest a higher degree of                 
  concern.  He said ADF&G has more care and examination at                     
  refuges than critical habitat areas.  He did not believe                     
  ADF&G has a single person assigned to work on the refuges,                   
  but ADF&G does watch refuges more because there is a higher                  
  level of protection needed due to the larger number of                       
  wildlife.                                                                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE told committee members they have a copy                 
  of Alaska Statute 16.20.605 which lists critical habitat                     
  areas and discusses what is allowed.  HB 426 requires a                      
  permit before development is allowed to ensure oversight.                    
                                                                               
  Number 060                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE DAVIES pointed out the statute says Redoubt                   
  Bay is a critical habitat area and it also has a similar oil                 
  and gas permit clause.                                                       
                                                                               
  ELLEN FRITTS, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF HABITAT AND                       
  RESTORATION, ADF&G, stated there are 32 critical habitat                     
  areas located throughout the state.  What can and cannot                     
  happen within the areas is determined when the legislature                   
  designates the area.  In the proposed work draft on HB 426,                  
  it lists specifically not only what kinds of things the                      
  public will want to have happen there and what the                           
  legislature thinks should happen there, but also states what                 
  the area will specifically be set aside for.  She pointed                    
  out the Chickaloon Flats Critical Habitat Area will be set                   
  aside for waterfowl.  She stressed the purpose of the                        
  elevated scrutiny is to look carefully at what the resources                 
  are in the area, look at the activity which is proposed and                  
  perhaps condition the activity so it can go forward while                    
  still meeting the purpose of the area.                                       
                                                                               
  Number 095                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES pointed out the Chickaloon Flats area                   
  is another 22,000 acres and there is a zero fiscal note.                     
  She asked if ADF&G is stating there will not be a                            
  significant fiscal impact when adding that many more acres                   
  to the responsibility of ADF&G in maintaining the habitat.                   
                                                                               
  MS. FRITTS said that is correct.  ADF&G has permitters in                    
  the Anchorage area who will review any applications for the                  
  area and accomplish it as a part of their regular duties.                    
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE added there are no known or proposed                    
  requests for permits currently.  There might be a fiscal                     
  impact if a large number of requests were received.                          
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE said HB 426 is a feel good type of                      
  legislation which does not cost anything, either in lost                     
  resources or actual dollars.  He commended the Alaska                        
  Waterfowl Association as they were the driving force behind                  
  the other habitat areas which were mentioned.                                
                                                                               
  Number 117                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES asked if there will be a blank permit                   
  for uses of the area, based on a decision made by ADF&G                      
  rather than issuing individual permits for activities                        
  whereby a fee could be charged.                                              
                                                                               
  MS. FRITTS replied no fees are charged for any of ADF&G's                    
  permits.  She added that many of the activities included are                 
  the types of activities which ADF&G does not review on any                   
  of the refuges or critical habitat areas.  She stated for                    
  many of the special habitat areas, ADF&G does prepare a                      
  management plan, asking members of the public to be a part                   
  of a planning committee.  Those management plans are more                    
  specific on activities if there is a concern expressed by                    
  the committee with that particular special area.                             
                                                                               
  Number 148                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER made a motion to MOVE CSHB 426(O&G)                    
  with a zero fiscal note out of committee with INDIVIDUAL                     
  RECOMMENDATIONS.                                                             
                                                                               
  VICE CHAIRMAN HUDSON asked if there were any objections.                     
  Hearing none, the MOTION PASSED.                                             

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